If I were to tell you (A) everything I say is true
and (B) "I am lying right now." This would be considered a nonsensical
argument. You would most probably brush it off as being utter nonsense,
at the very least you would probably have me explain myself. I was talking
to my friend earlier today about such paradoxical statements and how several
things can be true, yet not true... This is the subject I had decided to
look up for this week's summary.
Yehouda Harpaz writes
on an article relating to nonsense arguments
from one who is trying to defend himself using nonsense statements and
vice versa. He states that if you make a nonsense argument statement catch
yourself on this. (The major way that you can catch yourself is by your
opponent's argument -counter argument- being a valid statement.) He says
that you should avoid doing what is so commonly done (avoiding the subject
-changing it- or continue to use more nonsense argument). He implies (earlier
in his article) that nonsensical statements can be upheld with nonsensical
statements. But that sensible statements cannot be upheld with nonsensical
statements. Hence, if you attempt to uphold something sensible with nonsensical
arguments, your sensible statements becomes nonsensical.
The second point that Harpaz puts forth is detecting
and countering a nonsensical argument. He states that you must be sure
of two things before concluding that the person is doing something nonsensical.
1) Be sure that you fully understand what the other person is trying to
convey (via rereading the text carefully or asking questions of the other
person to clarify their point). 2) Your counter argument is wrong.
Harpaz states that you should be certain of what you are saying
in your argument. Maybe you are the one who has thought of these things
the wrong way.
Harpaz continues that if you proceed to argue with
this person and they change the subject or continue to give you nonsensical
arguments against your counter arguments you should not try to proceed
with the discussion. This is because you will learn nothing new from them,
and the other person will not learn of what you are trying to show them!
Finally he touches on the fact that this person may be someone of authority
(i.e.: a PhD in the field) and may know a lot about his subject. However,
this does not mean that the person is not using a nonsensical statement
to back his argument. All that it means is that the person whom this PhD
is arguing against is not as knowledgeable.
I found that I was able to relate to this article
quite methodically due to the fact that i myself have been on "both
sides of the fence." An example that sticks out especially is this kid
I know "A.O." He is this staunch engineer and very egotistical. He tends
to pull a bunch of jargon from his background on Engineering and regurgitate
it (even if it doesnt support his statement) to seem correct. Unfortunately
(for him) we are computer scientists... logic is our second nature. We
are able to decipher this strange engineers talk and look for key words
that support/disprove his theory. We are always finding holes in his argument
and he gets very peeved when we do. Another topic is the subject
of religion. He does not like talking about religion. This is because he
cannot use all of his Physics/Engineering to explain his "god." He cannot
take something that he swares by (Science) and use it to explain the existance
of God (unfortunately we fail in that department for the same reason- use
of Science in disproving the existance of God). Adam does not want
to even talk (much less argue) about his blind faith in some entity which
there is not solid proof of (and conversely disproof of).